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IMFG | Transit Funding: How to get there from here, without going broke

IMFG | Transit Funding: How to get there from here, without going broke

Moving Our Region: Transportation for the Future Session 3Monday April 16, 2012Vivian and David Campbell Conference Facility at the Munk School of Global Affairs1 Devonshire Place, Toronto

Storified by HiMY SYeD · Mon, Apr 16 2012 19:09:12

2012 Seminar Series

Moving Our Region: Transportation for the Future

Supported by Metrolinx

IMFG is continuing its series from last year on Moving Our Region with three new lectures. These talks will focus on the importance of transportation infrastructure to the economy of the city-region, the private sector’s role in transportation, and revenue tools for funding transit. The series brings together noted transportation policy-makers, practitioners, and academics to discuss critical issues that will profoundly influence the future growth and prosperity of the Greater Toronto-Hamilton Area (GTHA).

Session 3

Transit Funding: How to get there from here, without going broke!

Keynote Speaker: Richard Katz, Chair, Metrolink, and Board Member, Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority

Moderator: J. Robert S. Prichard, Chair, Bank of Montreal, and Chair, Torys LLP

Drawing on his substantial knowledge of metropolitan Los Angeles’ transit infrastructure and financing, Richard Katz will examine the advantages and disadvantages of different revenue tools for financing transit. He will speak of generating popular support for, and implementing, new forms of financing. He will also address how to ensure that the process of selecting and investing in transit projects is transparent and accountable, so the public knows that taxpayer money is being protected.

Richard Katz is Chair of metropolitan Los Angeles’ regional commuter rail system Metrolink, and serves on the Board of Los Angeles County’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority. He is also the owner of a successful public policy and government relations firm based in Los Angeles, Richard Katz Consulting (RKC) Inc., and previously served in the California State Assembly. During his tenure in the assembly, he served as Chair of the powerful Assembly Transportation Committee and authored Proposition 111, a ten-year Transportation Blueprint passed by the voters. He also created the Congestion Management Plan, requiring cities and counties to measure and mitigate impacts of land use decisions on their streets, highways, and transit systems.

Richard Katz of LA’s @Metrolink on financing public transit http://bit.ly/HLmpWr via @torontoist @munkschoolCivicAction
RT @CivicActionGTA: Richard Katz of LA’s @Metrolink on financing public transit http://bit.ly/HLmpWr via @torontoist @munkschoolAndré Darmanin
Hmm. There used to be a Bixi stand right here. And then you realize just how not smart your phone really is. #upgradethatoperatingsystemCity Slikr
Settling into a seat at the Munk Centre to hear a talk about–gasp–how to pay for transit. So far, spotted P. Bedford, S. Munro, E. MillerJohn Michael McGrath
…and John Sewell just walked in to the #IMFG event. Topical! http://bit.ly/HN1pUwJohn Michael McGrath
@jm_mcgrath Do you have a link for the event?Rowan Caister
At #IMFG transit seminar, some question why moderator Robert Pritchard is not credited on greeting slide as being Metrolinx chair. #TOpoliCity Slikr
@rowancaister As in a livestream? There hasn’t been one at previous IMFG seminar.John Michael McGrath
@jm_mcgrath I meant to the event, but I tracked it down w/ the hashtag. (Thanks, though)Rowan Caister
RT @jm_mcgrath: …and John Sewell just walked in to the #IMFG event. Topical! http://bit.ly/HN1pUwEmily Gayle Aitken
.@c_9 just walked in, but he seems to have missed my subtle attempts to catch his attention. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Settling in for talk on Transportation for the Future, at Munk/UofT. Spotted so far: @SwanBoatSteve and Cllr Mike Del Grande. #TOpoliCameron MacLeod
@c_9 *sniff* You walked right past @cityslikr and me.John Michael McGrath
No glimpse of Dr Gordon Chong yet at #IMFG seminar. Maybe he’s finished with public transit? #TOpoliCity Slikr
@c_9 Third row from the front, one seat right of the centre mic. Next to @cityslikr.John Michael McGrath
@cityslikr Like most dentists…he late…Bob Dunkin
RT @jm_mcgrath: Settling into a seat at the Munk Centre to hear a talk about–gasp–how to pay for transit. So far, spotted P. Bedford, S. Munro, E. MillerCameron MacLeod
@jm_mcgrath take off your cloak of invisibility, I can’t find you yet.Cameron MacLeod
@jm_mcgrath I’m clearly clueless!Cameron MacLeod
@jm_mcgrath @cityslikr Just spotted the backs of your heads. Nice seats! I’m melting back here.Cameron MacLeod
@jm_mcgrath let us know if anything new comes up!Adam Giambrone
Rob Pritchard, the moderator, introduced as "the chair of Metrolinx introducing the chair of Metrolink [LA's transit agency] #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Contemplating twitter for blackberry to conserve iphone battery strength. Depends, I suppose, on the livetweetability of this event. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Pritchard mentions this room in the Munk Centre was a student residence. Well-cleaned, can’t smell any bong residue anywhere. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
@jm_mcgrath Not. Trying. Hard. Enough.Jordyn Marcellus
Key is not paying for #5in10, but rather the rest of The Big Move. (Pritchard, paraphrased) #IMFG #TOpoliCameron MacLeod
Listening to Robert Prichard speak, it strikes me that the role of Chair of any organization is basically to cheerlead. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
Good to see @CouncillordelGrande at IMFG discussion on funding transit#transit #topoli #onpoli #torontoSarah Thomson
Richard Katz, keynote spkr, legislator for 16 yrs on transit issues, chair of L.A.’s Metrolink. #IMFG #TOpoliCameron MacLeod
We’re all reminded, as Pritchard wraps his introduction, that there’s free booze after the event. (Hence the full room.) #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Pritchard just offered us all a drink. Foreboding. #IMFG #TOpoliCameron MacLeod
Katz: The Mayor is the expert on transit in LA. Really.John Michael McGrath
Richard Katz is keynote speaker, here to share his expertise based on his experience in LA. http://pic.twitter.com/XO7BjbGQWomen’s Post
RT @jm_mcgrath: Katz: The Mayor is the expert on transit in LA. Really.Cameron MacLeod
Katz: Who here wasn’t born in Toronto? In LA, we ask that question 1st to figure out who to blame for congestion.John Michael McGrath
Katz; sol’n will be a mix of transit modes. #IMFG #TOpoliCameron MacLeod
Looking for a transit solution where you have to do something different but I don’t. #TOpoli #IMFGCity Slikr
Katz: starts his funding topic by bringing up, and gently blaming, California’s Prop 13 #IMFGCameron MacLeod
@AutoShare Yes, much thanks to @SwanBoatSteve and Streetcars for Toronto!RelayRides
@jm_mcgrath @thomsonto I am curious to get your reaction about Richard Katz. Denny Zane’s presence would’ve been good too.André Darmanin
Katz merged regional trains and LA buses when he was legislator. Designed to remove incompatible systems. Presto anyone? #IMFGCameron MacLeod
RT @jm_mcgrath: Katz: Who here wasn’t born in Toronto? In LA, we ask that question 1st to figure out who to blame for congestion.Chris S
Measure R had percentages assigned to revenue from sales tax. Smart way to help sell it! Eg: 35% must go to expansion. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Katz: Half-cent sales tax raises ~$35 billion in LA over 30 years.John Michael McGrath
Katz: A little secret we don’t talk about in LA is that it’s going to be a real pain to get around because of all the construction.John Michael McGrath
Presentation will be on #IMFG Munk website, so you can see what you missed of refer later. Prob not online yet, but soon.Cameron MacLeod
RT @c_9: Presentation will be on #IMFG Munk website, so you can see what you missed of refer later. Prob not online yet, but soon.John Michael McGrath
Katz: "Everybody wants a subway, irrespective of what the ridership is." DO GO ON, SIR. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Nice to hear some very familiar approaches to #transit at #IMFGmontyb
RT @c_9: Katz: starts his funding topic by bringing up, and gently blaming, California’s Prop 13 #IMFGKath Halloran
Apparently, subway envy is not just a Scarborough thing. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
No visible reaction from #TOcouncil budget chief MDG as Katz refers to reality of required ridership for subway, LRT, BRT. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
"If you’re not going to vote on the hard stuff why did you run for office." #IMFGmontyb
Sarah Thomson pipes up when Katz talks about risk-taking politicians getting defeated in LA: "Same here."John Michael McGrath
I confess I’m more than a little curious about LA’s twin rail-toll highway tunnels. 401 expansion/GO line? #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Katz: Took 6 mos to convince DC, Congress that LA was serious about paying 80% of transit cost, only needed 20% from Washington.John Michael McGrath
Weird: there are Republicans representing urban areas who dislike cuts to transit funding. Confusing! #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Katz: LA looking at Century Bonds, "brings new meaning to kicking the can down the road."John Michael McGrath
Katz: Despite improvements in air quality, LA keeps tying Houston for last place.John Michael McGrath
Really good words from Katz re electrification and reducing congestion around health benefits. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Katz: This is about more than transit, but about healthcare, jobs, etc… #imfgDavid Hains
Katz is being positively withering to the "Scarborough deserves subways" line of thought, though he may not realize it.John Michael McGrath
Katz: you can’t build to people’s wants (subways subways subways!) based on jealousy. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Katz: You can’t build transit based on wants or jealousy. #imfgDavid Hains
RT @DavidHains: Katz: You can’t build transit based on wants or jealousy. #imfgMark Gold
RT @c_9: Katz: you can’t build to people’s wants (subways subways subways!) based on jealousy. #IMFGBook_Knerd©
Katz mentions back of the envelope science in LA. I’ve heard this story somewhere #imfgDavid Hains
Accelerated LA transit build (30/10) driven by term limits. Want to see this done before being ‘termed out’. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
Really interesting to hear Richard Katz of the Los Angeles MTA speak at Munk Centre about transportation politics & financing thru Measure RRoger Keil
Chairman of Chinese sovereign fund, to Katz: part of our job is to make you less socialist. #imfgDavid Hains
Katz: Part of China’s ROI in a transit investment was in goodwill, PR. Chinese money putting thousands of US workers to work. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Katz: What may seem unattainable to staff may look attainable to elected decision-makers. Suddenly music to Scarborough’s ears? #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Katz: staff writing RFPs tend to write them the same way each time, but the world changes fast. "Staff: don’t eliminate options!" #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Katz: Lesson of the 1984 Olympics was massive reduction in congestion with just 5% less cars on the road. #IMFG #PanAm?John Michael McGrath
RT @jm_mcgrath: Katz: Lesson of the 1984 Olympics was massive reduction in congestion with just 5% less cars on the road. #IMFG #PanAm?City Slikr
Torontoist’s LA transit interview is a good substitute if you can’t attend today’s #IMFG lecture: http://torontoist.com/2012/04/california-dreaming-up-new-ways-to-fund-public-transit/ #TOpoli #CodeRedTORowan Caister
Katz is amazed by the TTC’s high ridership on buses specifically. Also: some places will never be dense enough for subway. #IMFG #gaspJohn Michael McGrath
That’s who Robert Prichard reminds me of! Jimmy Stewart. ‘Geez, geez, geez. That’s a sensitive subject there.’ #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
But: Katz says transportation policy is bipartisan & fails to mention the struggles for transit justice by LA Bus Riders Union & others.Roger Keil
LA gets 27 per cent on its cashbox fare (Toronto gets around 70 per cent IIRC)David Hains
Steve Munro gets introduced as the best expert on transit in Toronto. #IMFG #accurateJohn Michael McGrath
SHOCKING! #not #TOpoli RT @c_9: Katz: you can’t build to people’s wants (subways subways subways!) based on jealousy. #IMFGNadia S
RT @jm_mcgrath: Steve Munro gets introduced as the best expert on transit in Toronto. #IMFG #accurateAutoShare
LA not looking at P3s, according to Katz. With exception of some work on 405 freeway (Carmageddon!)John Michael McGrath
RT @jm_mcgrath: Katz: No elected official wants to turn farebox over to P3s.City Slikr
"If you don’t start conversation about controversial subjects…" So that was what Mayor Ford was up to with Sheppard subway. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
"In general, people need to know governments can do things." #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
After NY said no to congestion pricing (State legislature opposed it) Federal money went to LA. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
Katz says LA converted its parking meters to be electronic to aid with congestion prices. And @jm_mcgrath’s heart grew two sizes. #imfgDavid Hains
Congestion pricing a tool more for creating demand for transit than a source of revenue. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
@jm_mcgrath I can’t stop reading #IMFG as a reaction at the end of tweets, a la #OMFGCameron MacLeod
Family income of average bus rider in LA is 16-20k. Wow. #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Questioner basically asks how our transit system can be more like Hong Kong’s, although he uses the term ‘less socialistic’.David Hains
But the answer to that questioner: get the highest density in the world and you too can have Hong Kong’s system #imfgDavid Hains
Businesses choose their customers; public agencies don’t: Katz. Beautiful phrase! #IMFGCameron MacLeod
Businesses choose its customers. Public agencies can’t. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
Robert Prichard gently but regularly ribbing the budget chief. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
@jm_mcgrath oh dear god.David Hains
Mike DG: Toronto by itself will not put a sales tax, needs to be regional. Brings up the Car registration tax. @cityslikr sighs.John Michael McGrath
Mike Del Grande suggests a 50 cents surcharge per hour on parking meters (10% jump!) to fund transit. I heartily approve. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
OK. I am not voting for a speaker’s extension for the budget chief. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
Because it’s #OinTO Day, I am grateful folks live tweeting Munk School decided not to change the i to an o in the #imfg hashtag. That is allHiMY SYeD
RT @c_9: Businesses choose their customers; public agencies don’t: Katz. Beautiful phrase! #IMFGDaley Mikalson
del Grande asks how to sell transit ideas to public when they believe it is too fat and irresponsible. Of course, del Grande promotes thisDavid Hains
OK, OK. I resent an anti-government type like the budget chief talking about selling a case to the public. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
Maybe instead of just eliminating VRT in an anti-tax frenzy, budget chief should’ve fought to designate it to transit? #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
My favourite-city day. From LA’s transportation to Berlin http://www.rokkosadventures.at/hereisberlin/ Author JM Stim reads at the German consulate in Toronto!Roger Keil
Public transit as an issue is not a hill politician’s will die on. Question is, how to make it one? #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr
RT @cityslikr: Public transit as an issue is not a hill politician’s will die on. Question is, how to make it one? #IMFG #TOpoliKev Kelly
Battery on mobile hotspot dead as Katz wraps up. With that, I’ll be at the bar. #IMFGJohn Michael McGrath
@jm_mcgrath worse, thinks buses not ACed, which is no longer true. Ditto streetcars by 2018 or so.Cameron MacLeod
@cityslikr " Businesses choose its customers. Public agencies can’t " is wrong. Buddy, you have no idea how things work do ya? #topoli #imfgSattva Namaste
RT @cityslikr: Maybe instead of just eliminating VRT in an anti-tax frenzy, budget chief should’ve fought to designate it to transit? #IMFG #TOpoliDavid M
@Sattva01 @cityslikr Whether it is private or public, a business/organization identifies its niche, markets and serves it. #topoli #imfgSattva Namaste
2 cities, two styles: Katz wears pink shirt & tie plus cowboy boots; Stim (who talks about Berlin & lives in NYC) wears black suit & tie.Roger Keil
@jm_mcgrath we are indeed fortunate.Oksana K
@cityslikr Crazy responsible government talk from you downtown elites. Ppl wanted tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts!Kath Halloran
Free drinks and food after #IMFG but heading home to a bored @leapfish!Cameron MacLeod
IMFG Moving Our Region series speaker interviewed in The Torontoist http://ow.ly/1iOZrDIMFG
@Sattva01 Just quoting Richard Katz, Chair of LA Metrolink. Rage on at him. #IMFG #TOpoliCity Slikr

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